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Friday, February 02, 2018
Conference Challenges 1500 Years of Church Teaching about Hell
Monday, July 17, 2017
Will Hell Eventually Be Abolished?
It's not actually a debate. It's part of the Mars Hill Forum series where two opposite sides of a controversial question are addressed.
The format is simple and straightforward. Each side is given 12 minutes to present its case. A 20-minute discussion between the presenters follows. Then the audience is given the opportunity to ask questions for about 45 minutes.
In this case, the question is about the nature and duration of Hell.
Mars Hill Forum #157
Will Hell Eventually Be Abolished?
Yes: George W. Sarris
Author: Heaven's Doors . . . Wider Than You Ever Believed!
No: John C. Rankin
Author: The Freedom to Choose Hell
Monday evening, July 24, 2017, 6:30 p.m.
Willimantic Camp Meeting Grounds, 453 Windham Road, Willimantic, CT
– $15.00 suggested donation at the door –
(Presentations, Conversation and Questions from the Audience)
George W. Sarris is a 1978 graduate of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. He has served on the staff of three missionary organizations, including a ministry outreach to New York City media professionals. Mr. Sarris has published numerous articles on “ultimate restoration” at ChristianPost.com, is the narrator of Zondervan’s 2011 revision of the Holy Bible, New International Version featured on www.biblegateway.com, and the creator of an award-winning series of children’s CDs that bring the Bible to life. He and his wife Suzan have been married 46 years. They have five grown children and eight grandchildren. For more information, visit his website at www.HeavensDoors.net.
John C. Rankin is president of the Theological Education Institute, International. He has
degrees from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary (M.Div.), Harvard Divinity School (Th.M., Ethics and Public Policy), and is now working on his MPhil and PhD at the Oxford Centre for Mission Studies (A Political Theology of Freedom). His books presently in print are: The Six Pillars of Biblical Power; The Six Pillars of Honest Politics; Jesus, in the Face of His Enemies; Genesis and the Power of True Assumptions (Second Edition); The Real Muhammad: In the Eyes of Ibn Ishaq; The Judas Economy; Moses and Jesus in the face of Muhammad; and Changing the Language of the Abortion Debate. He and his wife Nancy have been married 40 years, with four grown children and six living grandchildren. For more information, visit his website at www.teii.org.
Thursday, March 23, 2017
It's NOT a Sin!
by George W. Sarris
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Thursday, September 29, 2011
Hell: Help or Hindrance to Heaven?

By George W. Sarris
In any discussion about the possibility that Hell may not be forever, one question almost always comes up:
If everyone will eventually get to heaven anyway, why share your faith?
Some time ago I received a fund appeal letter from a mission organization that directly related to this issue. The letter explained,
The work of missions is not a numbers game, but numbers don’t lie. Statistically, in the time it probably took you to scan the envelope, open the letter, and read these first two sentences, 10 human beings died having never heard the good news about Jesus. Gone forever.
I’m told that about 150,000 people will die today! Nearly half of them will have never heard that Jesus came that they might have life. In fact, most of them live in places where they have no reasonable access to that truth . . .
We can sensationalize the numbers, but people are not numbers. Jesus died for people, and as Dr. Henry said, “The gospel is only good news if it gets there in time.”
Won’t proclaiming the message that God will ultimately restore all of His creation to its intended perfection strip people of the motivation to give and to go? Why should missionaries and other dedicated Christians subject themselves to ridicule and deprivation by going out of their way, often to distant and backward lands, to tell others the “Good News” if they’ll all get to heaven someday, anyway? Won’t the message that God will eventually restore all have a dangerously negative effect on missions and evangelism?
Is Hell important for getting people into Heaven?
Is the “Good News” . . . Good News?
A number of things could be said in response, not the least of which is to mention that the Gospel does much more than simply provide a fire insurance policy to keep people out of Hell.
The Great Commission that Jesus gave commands us to make disciples, not just to make converts. Evangelism is a by-product of making disciples and loving your neighbor. If you are a true disciple of Jesus Christ who is growing in faith and in your relationship with God, you will be prepared and have a desire to share the truths you have learned with others. If you genuinely love your neighbor, you will be alert to opportunities to not only try to convert them, but genuinely help the whole person by ministering to the various needs in their lives that the Gospel addresses.
God has made each person uniquely for a purpose. His laws are just and true. As people fit in with His plan for their lives, they will experience reconciliation with God, forgiveness of their sins, power to overcome and defeat sin and wickedness in their lives, and true purpose. The result is the greatest joy and true fulfillment possible. They will also want to tell others of this wonderful news.
But, another answer to the question is also important to point out – and it’s one that we evangelicals don’t really want to hear.
For a great many people, the traditional concept of Hell is actually a major stumbling block to coming to faith. They cannot believe that an all-powerful, all-loving God would consign people to endless, conscious suffering because they are not part of an esoteric group called the “elect,” or because they have never responded positively to a message they have never heard. I have often been in discussions with people who have told me that people they spoke to about God would not make a commitment because they just could not believe that a good God would send anyone to Hell. Maybe they were right.
The message of endless suffering is not good news! It is not good news for a person who has grown up in a non-Christian environment or where the Gospel has rarely or never been preached to hear that every ancestor, relative, friend or loved one who has died, and the vast majority of those still alive, have no hope. It is not good news for them to be told that all or almost all of the people they love and honor are experiencing or will experience endless, conscious suffering at the hands of the God you are telling them about. To many of them, that is not the most joyful news ever announced. It is the most dreadful news ever announced.
That is one of the reasons it has been so hard for the gospel to take root in cultures that place a high value on family relationships. The first Christian missionary to Japan, St. Francis Xavier, experienced this response to the message he preached, and wrote in 1552:
One of things that most of all pains and torments these Japanese is that we teach them that the prison of hell is irrevocably shut. For they grieve over the fate of their departed children, of their parents and relatives, and they often show their grief by their tears. So they ask us if there is any hope . . . and I am obliged to answer that there is absolutely none. The grief at this affects and torments them wonderfully; they almost pine away with sorrow. . . . They often ask if God cannot take their fathers out of hell, and why their punishment must never have an end. We gave them a satisfactory answer, but they did not cease to grieve over the misfortune of their relatives; and I can hardly restrain my tears sometimes at seeing men so dear to my heart suffer such intense pain about a thing which is already done with and can never be undone.
Not Then . . . Not Now
Over the years, I have listened to many people share testimonies of how and why they became Christians. Many have mentioned the example of a friend or acquaintance who demonstrated an inner strength, power over sin, or quality of life that impressed them. Others have said that entering into a personal relationship with God gave them a sense of purpose in a world that seemed to have no direction, or that He provided a solid source of security at a time in their lives when everything else was falling apart. A number have mentioned that Biblical Christianity provided clear answers to questions about life and the world around them that had a ring of truth to them. Some have told of how they witnessed true love and compassion shown by Christians toward others who were not even part of their faith.
I can honestly say that very few of the people I have heard have said that they came to faith because they were afraid to go to Hell, and becoming a Christian gave them peace of mind in that area. It is definitely true for some, but it has not been my experience that it has been a primary motivation for very many. In fact, in my experience, the doctrine of eternal damnation has caused far more people to be driven away from the faith than drawn to it.
The experience of a friend speaks to the issue very well.
I used to be afraid to share the gospel, for fear that the conversation would come around to the subject of hell. I was afraid that someone would ask, “What about those who have never heard”? or “How can a good God allow billions of people to be tormented forever?” or “What’s the point of bringing people into existence only to suffer in this life, die, and then suffer forever with no hope of relief?” I had no good answers. Sure, I knew all the standard answers, but they didn’t satisfy me any more than they satisfied those who asked the questions.
Now I am free to share the gospel without worrying about getting trapped by good questions that have no good answers. I can confidently proclaim that God is Love, that He is not a monster who allows people to spend eternity in perpetual suffering apart from Him. At the same time, I can confidently proclaim that He is holy and righteous, He is a consuming fire, and He will not let anyone get away with anything. He will do whatever it takes to make sinners holy, fit for spending eternity in His presence.
The greatest time of expansion of the Christian church was in the first few centuries after Christ, when the dominant view of the church was that God would ultimately restore all of His creation to its intended perfection.
Perhaps they remembered something about God's sovereign power coupled with His unfailing love for all that we have forgotten.
Tuesday, May 10, 2011
Hell, Bell and Heresy - A Caution
You may not have thought about it before, but no matter who you are or what you believe, you are a heretic!
Or, at least you would have been considered one by some group or another at a certain point in the history of the Christian Church, and been subject to beatings, imprisonment, torture and possibly death. That fact alone should caution us to be careful when we call someone a “heretic” or accuse a Christian brother or sister of teaching “heresy” when they hold views we disagree with.
Heresy is a very serious charge. And, it has resulted in very serious consequences – not the least of which is the fact that excesses by some who have sought to stamp out heresy have led to God’s Name being blasphemed among non-believers!
The Eastern and Western Churches each considered the other “heretical” after the Great Schism in AD 1054. The leaders of the Protestant Reformation – Martin Luther, John Calvin, Ulrich Zwingli, and others – were deemed “heretics” by the Roman Catholic Church. Members of the Roman Catholic hierarchy were considered “heretics” by the Reformers. And, both groups persecuted as “heretics” the Anabaptists who didn’t believe in infant baptism.
I mention this because the charge of heresy has come up repeatedly in conversations, articles and blog posts about Rob Bell and his position on Hell.
What people usually mean when they say his teaching is “heretical” is that it is wrong teaching. But, that is to use the word much too loosely. A teaching may be wrong without being heresy. For example, most Calvinists believe in predestination while Arminians believe in free-will. Each would say the view the other group holds is wrong. However, it is not heresy.
What is True Christianity?
Many individuals and groups throughout the world today claim to be “Christian,” but differ significantly from others who claim the same thing.
Some who claim the mantle of Christianity meet in large edifices that are beautifully adorned with gold, fine wood, or massive stone work. Others who make the same claim meet in houses or under a tree. Some who claim to be Christians use a variety of electronic and acoustic musical instruments to sing contemporary songs with upraised arms waving in the air. Others who claim the name Christian use no instrumentation at all, sit quietly, and only sing the Psalms. Some who say they are Christians handle snakes as part of their worship practices, or wash one another’s feet, or speak in tongues, or claim to have the gift of healing or prophecy or wisdom. Others do none of these things. Most who claim the name Christian meet together with like minded people on Sunday for a time of worship. Others meet on Saturday, and some on Friday. Some who claim to be Christian baptize infants. Others baptize only adults. Some “have communion” or “share the Eucharist” every time they meet. Others do so only once a month, or once a year.
If you ask an Independent Baptist if he is a Christian, he will say, “yes.” If you ask a Roman Catholic if he is a Christian, he will say, “yes.” If you ask Anglicans, or a members of the Eastern Orthodox Church, or people who attends services at a Charismatic, Pentecostal, or Seventh Day Adventist church if they are Christians, they will answer, “yes.” However, many in each of those groups would say that the others are not.
So, who is right? What does it mean to really be “Christian?”
The Ancient Church
Most churches, organizations or groups today that call themselves “Christian” have some kind of statement of faith that explains what they consider to be their core beliefs with regard to who God is, who Jesus Christ is, who the Holy Spirit is, what they believe about the Bible, or church polity, or specific worship practices. This is an important tool that distinguishes them from others who they believe do not represent true Christianity.
The ancient Church wrestled with this same issue. As the Church grew during a time of great persecution, it became necessary to clarify what truly represented the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. Interestingly, the only official statement of faith that has come down to us from the early Church that put forth what they considered to be the essence of the Christian faith is the Nicene Creed. In fact, the council that issued it specifically prohibited other creeds from being officially formulated and presented as the authoritative teaching of the Christian Church.[1]
In addition to this, the Apostles Creed which preceded it (although not actually written by the Apostles) has generally been accepted by almost all those individuals and groups in the East and West who call themselves Christians.
Most committed Christians today, from a wide variety of theological backgrounds, would have no hesitation whatsoever in declaring that these two creeds contain what they believe is the heart of their faith. In fact, many of these same Christians actually recite them on a regular basis in their Sunday morning worship services as part of their declaration of what “we, as Christians, believe.”
So, what do these ancient statements of faith put forward by the combined Church assembled have to say about after-death punishment? Nothing! Neither creed contains a hint of the belief in the endless punishment of the wicked. The reason, as mentioned in an earlier article[2], is that endless punishment was not considered an important tenet of the faith at that time, and there were a great many believers who did not subscribe to it.
The Apostles Creed
As printed here, the portion in regular type was probably written in the early or middle part of the second century and was in Greek. The portion in italic was added later by the Roman Church, and was in Latin.[3]
I believe in God the Father Almighty maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ his only son our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried. He descended into hell. The third day he arose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven and sitteth at the right hand of God the Father Almighty. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Holy Catholic Church; the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.
The earlier form of the creed speaks of the “resurrection of the body,” and the later form mentions the “life everlasting.” But, not a word is written about Hell. The belief that the wicked suffered endless, conscious punishment was not included in the creed because it was not universally held and taught by those who were leaders in the church at that time. It was also not considered to be an essential tenet of the faith at a time when Christianity was first being introduced to the pagan world around it, and making its greatest impact.
The Nicene Creed
The next oldest creed, and the only one officially authorized by a consensus of the whole church, was the Nicene Creed. This creed was originally drafted at the Council of Nicea in AD 325, with later modifications made at the Council of Constantinople in AD 381. It is a statement of faith accepted by almost all those who claim to be Christians in the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Roman Catholic Church, the Assyrian Church of the East, the Oriental Orthodox churches, and almost all of the Protestant churches, including the Anglican Communion, most Baptist and Independent churches, the Methodist Church, the Presbyterian Church, and the Reformed churches.
Like the Apostles’ Creed before it, the Nicene Creed says nothing at all about endless punishment. That doctrine was then professed by a portion of the Christian church, but it was not generally enough held to be stated as the average or official belief.
The portion of the creed printed here in regular type is that composed at Nicea in AD 325. The portion in italic was added in AD 381 at the Council of Constantinople.[4]
We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (or ages), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man; he was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried, and the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; from thence he shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father,[5] who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, who spake by the prophets. In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
As with the Apostles’ Creed before it, not a word is written in this clear statement of faith about the nature or duration of after-death punishment. None of the four great Ecumenical Councils held in the first four centuries of the Christian era – those at Nicea, Constantinople, Ephesus, and Chalcedon – condemned the belief that God would one day restore all of His creation or even mentioned endless punishment as the consensus belief of the church, although both doctrines were held by various key participants at the time.
Is Rob Bell a heretic or is his belief about Hell heresy? Not according to the giants of the faith in the early Church upon whose shoulders we stand. We should be careful not to use the term heresy too lightly.
[1] Conc. Ephes. Can. VII. “'The holy Synod has determined that no person shall be allowed to bring forward, or to write, or to compose any other Creed (ἑτέραν πίστιν μηδενὶ ἐξεῖναι προφέρειν ἤγουν συγγράφειν ἢ συντιθέναι), besides that which was settled by the holy fathers who assembled in the city of Nicæa, with the Holy Spirit. But those who shall dare to compose any other Creed, or to exhibit or produce any such, if they are bishops or clergymen, they shall be deposed, but if they are of the laity, they shall be anathematized.' The Council of Chalcedon (451), although setting forth a new definition of faith, repeated the same prohibition (after the Defin. Fidei).” Philip Schaff, Creeds of Christendom, with a History and Critical notes, Volume I, The History of Creeds, Harper & Brothers, 1877, p 35, http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/creeds1.iv.v.html
[3] cf. Philip Schaff, Creeds of Christendom, with a History and Critical notes, Volume I, The History of Creeds, Harper & Brothers, 1877, p 14, http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/creeds1.iv.ii.html
[4] Philip Schaff, The Creeds of Christendom with a History and Critical Notes, Vol. I, Harper & Brothers, 1877, Sixth Edition Revised and Enlarged, by David S. Schaff, 1905, 1919, p. 28-29
[5] In the late sixth century, the Latin-speaking Western Church added the words “and the Son” to the description of the procession of the Holy Spirit in what the Eastern Church argued is a violation of Canon VII of the Third Ecumenical Council, since the words were not included in the text by either the Council of Nicea or that of Constantinople.